Routes K9/K10: Kingston to Epsom

[Phil Richards]

Can anyone confirm whether or not all zone London bus passes are valid
beyond Worcester Park through to Epsom on routes K9 & K10? Other routes
such as 418 & 467 are, but no mention is made on the publication "Beyond
The Fringes" of the K9 & K10.

Thanks,

[Colin]

Post by Phil Richards
Can anyone confirm whether or not all zone London bus passes are valid
beyond Worcester Park through to Epsom on routes K9 & K10? Other routes
such as 418 & 467 are, but no mention is made on the publication "Beyond
The Fringes" of the K9 & K10.
Thanks,
--
Phil Richards
London, N4

If you look at the official TFL bus map for SW London:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/s_west.pdf
(NB: 4.4MB!)

it shows that those routes turn from a grey line to a green line as they
cross the Greater London boundary (ooposite Worcester Park station on the K9
and in St. Clair Drive on the K10). This means that TFL tickets and passes
are not valid on these routes south of the boundary.

You are right however that the 406, 418, 467 & 166 do accept TFL tickets &
passes across the boundary through to Epsom.

Colin

[Paul Dredge]

Post by Colin

Post by Phil Richards
Can anyone confirm whether or not all zone London bus passes are valid
beyond Worcester Park through to Epsom on routes K9 & K10? Other routes
such as 418 & 467 are, but no mention is made on the publication "Beyond
The Fringes" of the K9 & K10.
Thanks,
--
Phil Richards
London, N4

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/pdfdocs/s_west.pdf
(NB: 4.4MB!)
it shows that those routes turn from a grey line to a green line as they
cross the Greater London boundary (ooposite Worcester Park station on the K9
and in St. Clair Drive on the K10). This means that TFL tickets and passes
are not valid on these routes south of the boundary.
You are right however that the 406, 418, 467 & 166 do accept TFL tickets &
passes across the boundary through to Epsom.
Colin

K9 & K10 are still commercial routes run by Epsom Buses/Quality Line the
others are TfL tendered/heavily subsidised services so they have end to end
ticket availability whilst the K9/K10 don't

Paul

[Phil Kitchen]

Post by Phil Richards
Can anyone confirm whether or not all zone London bus passes are valid
beyond Worcester Park through to Epsom on routes K9 & K10? Other routes
such as 418 & 467 are, but no mention is made on the publication "Beyond
The Fringes" of the K9 & K10.
Thanks,
--
Phil Richards
London, N4

K9 and K10 do only accept London passes as far as Worcester park, and the
services terminate on saturdays at Worcester Park instead of Kingston.
As mentionned already, 406, 418, and 467 do accept the passes throughout the
route, as does the new 470 (Epsom - Colliers Wood), and revised 293 (Epsom -
Morden) (both operated by Quality Line) since the introduction of new
timetable on 19th June.

Phil Kitchen

[M J Forbes]

Post by Phil Kitchen
K9 and K10 do only accept London passes as far as Worcester park, and the
services terminate on saturdays at Worcester Park instead of Kingston.
As mentionned already, 406, 418, and 467 do accept the passes throughout the
route, as does the new 470 (Epsom - Colliers Wood), and revised 293 (Epsom -
Morden) (both operated by Quality Line) since the introduction of new
timetable on 19th June.
Phil Kitchen

Actually, the 293 is operated by Epsom Buses - "Quality Line" is a trading
name only.

Matt Forbes (yes - that one)

[Phil Richards]

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:10:13 +0100 Phil Richards

Post by Phil Richards
Can anyone confirm whether or not all zone London bus passes are valid
beyond Worcester Park through to Epsom on routes K9 & K10? Other routes
such as 418 & 467 are, but no mention is made on the publication "Beyond
The Fringes" of the K9 & K10.

Thanks for everyone's feedback. Covered both routes today, K9 to Epsom,
K10 back. Was slightly astonished at the fare beyond the Travelcard
boundary - £2.10 (to which even the driver remarked "Terrible, isn't
it?") and £1.70.

In and around Epsom I was surprised to see two different styles bus
stops, some the standard London ones, others with the single deck bus
symbol often seen in the "provinces". Confusion at one stop where the K9
& 418 stopped, two locals boarded the K9 to be told it's £1.70 in to
Epsom town centre. the driver advising only 70p if you wait for the 418!

A general remark in so far that it seemed odd leaving effectively what is
Greater London at Worcester Park and yet you remain in a built up area
without going through any green belt. Any idea the historic reason behind
this?

[Phil Kitchen]

"Phil Richards" <***@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 23:10:13 +0100 Phil Richards

In and around Epsom I was surprised to see two different styles >bus
stops, some the standard London ones, others with the single deck bus
symbol often seen in the "provinces". Confusion at one stop >where the K9
& 418 stopped, two locals boarded the K9 to be told it's £1.70 >in to
Epsom town centre. the driver advising only 70p if you wait for >the 418!
A general remark in so far that it seemed odd leaving >effectively ?what is
Greater London at Worcester Park and yet you remain in a built >up area
without going through any green belt. Any idea the historic >reason behind
this?

I believe it's just because of the Surrey/London border. I used to use 406
before Arriva gave it up in the days of London&Country's 4 buses an hour
service. When Arriva pulled out, i don't quite know why 406/418 and now 293
and 470 had their pass validity extended, but it's probably to do with that
Surrey County Council are VERY short of cash for Bus services!

On the note of Bus Stops, the LT ones between Ewell Village and Epsom went
up to accomodate the launnch of the 470, in June. Before that, they went as
far as Ewell village (just before - Grange Mansions/Eight Bells) when the
406 was taken over by London United, and along route 418 to the last stop
before Epsom.

The bus stops themselves in Epsom Town Centre have just been reshuffled and
rebuilt (new shelters anyway), but no flags have appeared as yet.

HTH

[Hugh Craddock]

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:48:40 +0100, "Phil Kitchen"

Post by Phil Kitchen
I believe it's just because of the Surrey/London border. I used to use 406
before Arriva gave it up in the days of London&Country's 4 buses an hour
service. When Arriva pulled out, i don't quite know why 406/418 and now 293
and 470 had their pass validity extended, but it's probably to do with that
Surrey County Council are VERY short of cash for Bus services!

I don't really understand <why> TfL has taken over these routes, but
I'm very glad they have. In the early days of Arriva running the 406,
it was over £4.00 return from Epsom to Kingston. Over the last few
years, the fares have come down, and now, thanks to TfL, it's just 65p
each way (using Saver tickets). Similarly, even a couple of years
ago, a return to Coulsdon on the 498 (then run by Epsom Buses) was
about £3.80: now, equally (as route 166), it's £1.30. Where else can
you say that bus fares are now less than one third the price five or
seven years ago?

Post by Phil Kitchen
On the note of Bus Stops, the LT ones between Ewell Village and Epsom went
up to accomodate the launnch of the 470, in June. Before that, they went as
far as Ewell village (just before - Grange Mansions/Eight Bells) when the
406 was taken over by London United, and along route 418 to the last stop
before Epsom.
The bus stops themselves in Epsom Town Centre have just been reshuffled and
rebuilt (new shelters anyway), but no flags have appeared as yet.

Stops in Epsom town centre and on the loop round Epsom Hospital are
managed by Surrey CC (rather than any local operator), and have not
therefore been replaced with LT ones. In fact, they have all been
replaced by Surrey itself.

Hugh

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Hugh Craddock
(Epsom, Surrey)
***@craddocks.notrequired.co.uk
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